I've noticed that sometimes admins enforce things that aren't explicitly written in the server rules. This is normally not an issue because some rules go without saying. A different problem entirely occurs when an admin enforces something they don't personally like for no other reason than just that. I find this disruptive to Roleplay and have been the victim of it many times in the past. I refer to this problem as "Over-Admining"

Ill cite some examples and leave it open for discussion.

One night I was watching Zak (before he became admin) walk into his apartment to check on his plants, I was tracking him for a while so I knew that his plants could not be finished yet, I waited at his basement door because that's where he tends to exit. Once he opened his door I killed him and picked up his money and his plants. Unfortunately for me Blargasaur just didn't like the idea of me robbing Zak so he killed me, making the whole thing completely unprofitable. In a normal situation this would be fine, but Blarg is admin, so we can't do anything to him in return. So the problem isn't that someone protected Zak, which would be fine and actually makes it more fun, but that an Admin did, which I think is wrong because there's nothing we can do in return.

Result - Stealing Drugs and Money Legal in server rules, but illegal when Blarg is online.

Another example happened just a minute ago and prompted me to make this thread. I was doing a real estate scam in game earlier today, I was asking people if they were interested in buying property. Wong decides he doesn't personally like it so every time I ask he follows it with a copy/paste of something like "Players cannot buy property, type /buydoor to buy houses". Which just once is not a huge issue, but he does it EVERY time I type mine out, making it impossible to make money this way.
Now for some background on this issue AFAIK there was a discussion of cons/scams between the admins and they were permitted to continue. I personally think that they aren't incredibly profitable but make the server more fun/interesting when they exist, sort of adding a new dimension to RolePlay. If a non-Admin player tried to ruin our scam, that would be fine, we would have to deal with that person our own way to silence them or pay them off. However with Wong, we can't do any of those things, we just have to deal with it. This type of thing makes RolePlay stale and takes away options for gangs.

Result - Scams/Cons legal according to server rules, Illegal when Wong is online.

I'm not really going after these admins personally, I just would like admins to see it from the other side. At the moment we have a LOT of admins, all with their own personality and morals. If every one of them enforces a different rule set there is no way players can keep up. I think that if you're an admin and something is going on that you don't like between the players, suggest a rule against or stay out of it. The players in Syles don't play here to have the admins decide who wins and loses, and it's not up to the admins to decide or influence outcomes.

Freedom of players to do what they want should be respected as much as the rules, no one comes here to be a chess piece of the admins.

Proctor wrote:

Noted, and agreed despite the fact I've been guilty of this a time or two myself.

As for the real estate heist, there is no rule at this time explicitly stating that you are not allowed to do this, but I'm surprised someone as mindful/perceptive as you would run a scam that is almost a sure-fire way to run new players off the server in a game with an already incredibly delicate population. That's the undeniable reality of the scam, and I'd bet largely the reason behind what you call "overadmining" in this instance. I ask you to please be cognizant of that and act accordingly, or you will find there will be less and less people wanting to play with you - and then you are ultimately impacting your experience.

I watch who I'm doing this to, but in the end I think the server is a more interesting place when people have can work jobs they created for themselves.

Im glad to see someone agrees with Over-Admining being a problem, but I don't want this thread to turn into a discussion of why I think scams/cons are essential for RP. I'd be glad to defend my position on that if someone wants to open another thread.

Anyone else have an opinion on Over-Admining?

Fong Tin-yau wrote:

I typed a 5 paragraph thing about what the server will happen and stuff. but then im like, whos fault is it at the end? If the server do lose a lot of players. I thought admins were suppose to help new players get started. Well guess not.

Wong this thread is about admins enforcing on emotions rather than the rules, which is sort of what you did. If you have a problem with scams/cons you should make a thread where we can discuss it. Please don't derail this thread.

Spriggs wrote:

He does have a point in this. As much as I am against the whole con business, as Wong knows, because he asked my opinion on this ingame, there is nothing technically stopping it. Looks like another thread is going to open up about whether or not there shall be a new rule about this.

BUT, our job as Admins is to support the players, not ourselves. (Most of the time)

This is an even bigger problem now due to the overwhelming amount of admins there are in the server.