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    • Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      I would like to propose (with acceptance / voiced opinions from other admins and players on the server ) that prop rules get erased and re-written as abuses and snags are hit along the way.

      Now before the roots have a tantrum or automatically throw this idea out the window, keep in mind a few things:
      1: main prop rules will have to be in place (mainly no door blocking & no 100% invis props)
      2: our admin team has amazing abilities as shown in some of the side projects that go on. lifting the restrictions would show their full potential
      3: we have a new player base with new opinions and wants. most don't understand why these rules are even in place.
      4: with prop limits being 10/15, we would have a lot more variation in what's being placed within houses, making setups feel more personal.

      I would like to leave it on the table to have players speak their minds on this topic, and not just leave it to a bunch of people who sit out of game.
      (no offence to those who do - I just feel this is a more hands on topic)

      IF there is clear opposition on lifting prop rules by higherups however, I would like to make a second proposition to have a meeting about possible rule leniency.

      Thank you so much for reviewing my post and everyone have a fan-fucking-tastic 2016
      -420Alex
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    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      "IF there is clear opposition on lifting prop rules by higherups however, I would like to make a second proposition to have a meeting about possible rule leniency."- Alex
      "I am not opposed " - Dane


      Fucke the opposition, fucke the meeting - dane has spoken; LET'S GET ON WITH IT !!!

      'bout time these archaic cop-favouring, DM-with-pretty-houses rules got the flick.

      Let's have FUN !

      We could have gangs - one lot favouring the Now, the others being TheFuddyDuddyFunPlugs.

      Seriously - with the situation that has been outlined by TF for his new plugin handling od player-based-propping, tremendous changes are needed.
      [Koala-Who you say? Yeah exactly. Whatever.] BTW, Miracles was the RabbleRouser who put Alex up to it. Me, I hear you ask? Nah, I was just an observer - truly :P.





    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      I totally agree with all the posts above.

      We need innovation. The time of the "old" static Roleplay is over - people are bored of a 08/15 appartment design. More and more players leave this game and we need to force them to stay! With epic buildings of props!

      I used to build complex prop builds at some Users Houses but I get too restricted by the rules. (People appear to love my builds)

      There is so much potential, let us use it please!

    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      Let me first start off by mentioning that we will be able to increase the prop limits per player once my plugin goes live.

      However, there will be a mandatory rule that admins assign props to players that way the dynamic spawn system works properly.
      Since the dynamic spawn system only spawns the props of the players online, as well as the props of any door owners who gave those online players keys to their place, fewer props should be spawned at a given moment. Of course you also have the global props that are always spawned for decorating the map.

      I was thinking of starting us off at a 15/20 prop limit for reg/vip players. However, we will have to monitor prop numbers because I have no clue how many players are going to end up having keys for 10 different people's houses, plus how many total props when the server is full, etc. There's too much to predict, therefore those limits are subject to change. Admins will be required to check the motd often during the first couple months of the plugin running to make sure they are up to date on prop limits.

      Also gang system is in the works, but will probably not quite be ready by the time the plugin goes live. I'll try though, but I don't know.

    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      last night we were going over some of the props rules that we liked before and with the crouch tunnels or double jump crouches as to see if they are not excessive they can be allowed, the reason being it was unfair to cops for kicking doors, but now, the last cop I've seen to kick a door in the past month is Koala just to try it out.

      Im in favor in making the props the way players want
      You defeat your enemies when they become your friends

    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      MiraclesBelieveInMe wrote:


      last night we were going over some of the props rules that we liked before and with the crouch tunnels or double jump crouches as to see if they are not excessive they can be allowed, the reason being it was unfair to cops for kicking doors, but now, the last cop I've seen to kick a door in the past month is Koala just to try it out.

      Im in favor in making the props the way players want


      Same

    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      also, I wrote down a bunch of things about the props while Koala, Alex and I were talking last night, I`ll put a yay or nay beside it
      those were:

      -90 degree fences at the door to delay the attacker until they close the door. Yay or Nay

      -Crouch tunnels (non excessive) meaning not 3 right next to each other. Yay or Nay

      -absolute minimum for invisi props is 50 alpha and above...no going lower then 50 alpha. Yay or Nay

      -double jump crouches. Yay or Nay

      -Mazes. Yay or Nay

      -Traps. (new) If the player breaks into your house and falls into one of these, there is no escape unless shot and killed or suicide. Yay or Nay

      and I had some improvements for cop but I`ll post that in another forum.
      in total there is 6 yay or nay what do you guys think
      You defeat your enemies when they become your friends

    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      Mike wrote:


      I totally agree with all the posts above.

      We need innovation. The time of the "old" static Roleplay is over - people are bored of a 08/15 appartment design. More and more players leave this game and we need to force them to stay! With epic buildings of props!

      I used to build complex prop builds at some Users Houses but I get too restricted by the rules. (People appear to love my builds)

      There is so much potential, let us use it please!


      Viva la revoluci?n!!
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    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      Eldrun wrote:


      Yay
      Nay, unless it's a key press long
      Yay
      Yay
      Yay
      Nay


      Hey Eld, your nay to the last [ie Traps] is an about-face or mistake? Mike gave me the impression that both Syle and yourself inspected his warehouse and passed it. There were traps and crouch holes in that.
      There are some demo props by Miracles and me in the room above mine at Dane's Apts - including a crouch hole. Players can test the dynamics there. Perhaps your "key press long" would be represented by the hole I built?

      koipa wrote:


      Nay
      Nay
      Nay
      Nay
      Nay
      Nay
      :')


      I take it that you are in favour of the lot ;)

      The blocking of (outside) doors of houses is actually iffy but we haven't stirred that one up. :)
      Here is a quote from eas....
      "from forum http://www.sylesrp.com/forum/index.php/topic,5147.msg41688.html#msg41688

      Eas says...

      -NO FUCKING CROUCH TUNNELS. FINAL WORD. (This includes even a single hole)
      -You're allowed to own one house. If I see you owning another, I will take them ALL with no refund. You've been
      warned.
      -No AFK Rooming anyone past 30 hours.
      -Players can take their own printers and plants through walls
      -I don't typically approve of people blocking entrances in houses.

      Post any other iffy rules that I need to shit on "

      That blocking bit was written during the last play at Freeman city and as a result of arguments over the tunnel doors of the houses under the Black Market , AND, the balconies of the VIP building. If this had made it into the MOTD then the door blocks at the sniper tower and the house under Black Market would be dis-allowed. Syle and Eas differed somewhat on the topic of the balconies. Bob and I have chat copies and ' lost ' forum copies of quite a lot of restrictive stuff. I favour the complete freedom approach to propping - even though I have zero hope of getting across to the Tower and zero hope of getting through Miracle's defence [even when unopposed].
      BTW - when we moved to Linesse a player dragged Eas into the map and complained about a few wire fences and the like. Eas then travelled the map and deleted a lot of 'normal' stuff. The result was him saying that he was on the verge of only allowing props for decoration - and if that didn't work, then no props at all.

      The majority of active players these days seem to want a bit of fun with their props.

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      we need the new "normal" for props to be understood by everyone in the higherup community as well (including eas)
      That way we dont put the new "normal" for props in houses
      and eas (or any other firm/assertive admin) pops in and deletes it


      we need #Sidezz to step up in this thread and either oppose us all, or try something new/see how it goes
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    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      420alex wrote:


      we need the new "normal" for props to be understood by everyone in the higherup community as well (including eas)
      That way we dont put the new "normal" for props in houses
      and eas (or any other firm/assertive admin) pops in and deletes it


      we need #Sidezz to step up in this thread and either oppose us all, or try something new/see how it goes


      firm assed admin? what is them?

    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      1). I want to start off with an invisibility limit - maybe Miracles could put the 'reference standard' in the furniture show room. We will publish the alpha value used for it too so the standard can be reproduced. Other props can be compared with that visibility. Take into account the use of the flashlight.

      2). A few of you nayed/neighed at some of Miracle's list. I want to start those prop topics off from scratch. I want to see who complains and why. So, please bear with an introductory period on those.


      I will catch up with BobVeka again re the changes [temporary] to the motd.

      Several of the more active admins and many of the currently active players are in favour of revisiting all of this - so, please, all help us to establish rules which suit the current community.

      OK - got BobV to rip this out of motd [thx Bob]:-

      Do not make crouch tunnels or even a single crouch hole. This is any prop forcing players to
      crouch through an area.
      Do not make any kind of maze for players.
      Do not create a situation that produces more lockpicking or kickdoor actions to break into
      houses then intended.


      Have a look at motd... http://coldcommunity.com/rp/index.php

      When it goes wrong, form a queue to shout "Told Ya So!!!" Make it a Far Queue.

      thanks all.... let the havoc begin.

    • Re: Wipe the slate clean #Nolimits2016

      Koala wrote:


      OK - got BobV to rip this out of motd [thx Bob]:-

      Do not make crouch tunnels or even a single crouch hole. This is any prop forcing players to
      crouch through an area.
      Do not make any kind of maze for players.
      Do not create a situation that produces more lockpicking or kickdoor actions to break into
      houses then intended.


      Have a look at motd... http://coldcommunity.com/rp/index.php

      When it goes wrong, form a queue to shout "Told Ya So!!!" Make it a Far Queue.

      thanks all.... let the havoc begin.




      so I've got the go ahead now?

      I've set up a wooden crate 863 (models/props_junk/wood_crate001a.mdl) in the furniture store, ive set the alpha to the box (100), not all props will be the same with the alpha so just use your discretion.
      You defeat your enemies when they become your friends