Pinned Duer's guide to being a "good" cop

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  • Duer's guide to being a "good" cop

    Disclaimer: Although this post is 100% my opinion, i feel that merely following the cop rules isnt enough to be a great cop and i'd like to share some unsaid tips on being a good respectable officer in the rp community.

    Each tip will be supported by a selfish reason and a selfless reason.


    heres a scenario where this comes into play. "You have less than 12/32 players in an rp server, crime is extremely low, rebels are getting crime through petty means such as robbing, or occasional growing/printing"

    Why is it good to cuff/uncuff

    • Selfish- As a cop, you always want HIGH crime activity - because you want things to do and not get bored! So why demand higher crime activity from players and simultaneously jail them for it?
    By cuffing/uncuffing, you are subconsciously encouraging more crime activity! You are lowkey telling them "Yo, keep commiting crime, its cool for now, do your thing."

    Eventually, the crime rate will get higher - even if you are technically resetting there crime for free - the rebels will eventually be comfortable enough to commit more crimes!

    When time passes and the server gets more active, THATS WHEN you can jail people - but always jailing petty crimes will DISCOURAGE crime!

    • Selfless - cuff/uncuffing is a method of expressing generosity to the rebels which will always lead to respect - even if you SUCK AT DM, cant aim or bhop. Put yourself in the rebels shoes. Let them have fun! you dont always have to interfere! BEING COP IS NOT ABOUT YOU OR YOUR PAY - THATS WHAT REBEL IS FOR


    Heres a scenario where this comes into play. "Player A pays you 1000$ to keep a rdmer in jail." or "Asking a player to doorhack a door to get in and cuff" or "Specifically always jailing and not accepting a bribe from a rebel that rdms only you during your cop time."

    Whats the difference between rebels and cops?

    The dynamic of the rebels, is rooted through selfish gains and reactions (rdming, bank account, cash, property, doorhacking lockpicking etc)

    The dynamic of a cop , is rooted through selfless objective perspectives and fairness to all (judgement, law enforcement etc)

    There is a certain danger in mixing your feelings with judgement of criminals i highly recommend you seperate the rebel and cop mentality!

    What you want, is to be unpredictable with your reactions - occasionally let off the rdmer who massacres you with a cuff/uncuff - or jail a casual robber just cuz

    • Selfish - You DO NOT want to be accused for abuse or favoritism - as a cop or admin! people will disrespect you and will complain about you!

    • Selfless - When you applied for cop you swore to be impartial to ALL players - It doesnt hurt to cuff/uncuff a player that rdms you - they might leave you alone for that - trolls feed on reactions - and by leaving that behind, you are being objective!

    3. REALIZE THAT YOU ARENT THE ONLY COP - be conscious of other officers.

    Heres a scenario where this comes into play. "4 cops are already on, and you switch because you wanna be cop too" or "you've been cop for an hour, and two more cops log on, and you complain about losing your cuffs." or the big one............ "you accidentally uncuff another cops cuff by accident."

    It is very important to let other cops have their turn on daily shifts - we dont need more than 3 cops at one time!

    • if you've been cop for awhile, let someone else switch - or if you wanna switch ask someone to switch out!
    Use teamchat to communicate with other cops! - teamwork and coop between cops are encouraged!

    • Instead of racing or competeing for cuffs for yourself - say in teamchat who you're going for ahead of time - so it avoids accidental conflicts and accidental uncuffs!

    Selfish - If you really want a promotion - Go Cop when there is no cops on, not when there is already 2-3 on - this is how you get noticed and recognized by admins!

    Selfless - Give other cops a turn, and if your cop with another, communicate and cooperate so you have an easier time doing your job. DONT TRY TO GO SOLO ALL THE TIME.


    When players are in the pd, play along and dont ruin the fun!

    Selfish - Its easier for you to kill a rebel than to try and cuff them and jail them during a pd raid

    Selfless - To rebels, jailing during a PD raid is considered noobish and a bummer - play along with them and dont punish them for having fun!

    - You became cop, not to highten your ego, not to become an authority, not to gain respect, not to get weapons or health, not for promotions

    you applied for cop because you love the server, and the game doesnt work without someone to clear the crime and fight against. - your doing it for the rebels and the good of the server!

    I will update this if i think of any more good ones, s/o to DOOM and KOALA

  • I agree with all of this. It is well written and does say alot.

    I also think there should be a Steam group chat (for voice and chat) to make it faster and private that the cops can pre-plan what they aare gonna do and whom they are gonna get. This server lacks alot of communication and this may help. I heard theys a TS but i don't hear around that anyone is using it, maybe it should be put to use more for the cops.
  • duer said: "i stil have much to learn"

    hmm, @duer......... have you heard about Fast Deposit? Just do e twice on the banker. [insiderjoke]

    When the discussion finishes Duer should present his 'thoughts' as a Wiki topic [stuff gets hard to find and completely buried when left in the forum - easy/easier to direct a player to Wiki]
  • duer wrote:

    Peoples opinion spoke!
    Remind me why you should have admin powers if we can just enforce the rules by referendum? Since you consider that "the people" are fit to decide who to kick and why.

    Also, it seems like you're getting the chronology of events mixed up. I killed Chakat a total of like three to five times over the stretch of a few hours and he cried about it like a little baby. You gave no warning and I have a strong reason to suspect you just votekicked me because people were complaining that I chose to not uncuff them immediately after sending them to jail.

    What you're saying is, pardon my French, a bunch of horse shit.
  • by the way votekick is not exclusive to admins, its also a vip command, so its not about my admin powers

    votekicked you because multiple people were complaining, and i was also complaining.

    instead of using admin powers on you, (aboose) i used a vip exclusive votekick command (i dont agree with) but was reimplemented anyway)
  • duer wrote:

    why do you need a warning about a SIMPLE cop rule if "you've played here for years"
    My point wasn't that I need a warning, the point is that if I was doing something wrong, that is what you would have done. Like I said, you can could count on your fingers the number of times I killed Chakat over the course of several hours and I stopped doing it, but he made a huge stink about it. It's just that you first stated I was kicked for breaking the rules, but now you've admitted you votekicked me because multiple people, including yourself, got angry at the way I play the game, which is in fact the case. Just don't try to make it out to seem like it was about me killing another cop, rather than about you being mad that I kept you in jail.
  • duer wrote:

    you did break a rule - by killing chakat multiple times as cop and didnt stop when he told you to stop...

    your just annoying af using "how i play" as an excuse

    i votekicked you not kicked you - nnot an admin power + multiple people wanted you kick]

    stop being salty
    If you thought I broke the rules you should have done something about it. "Multiple people wanted you kicked" is not a reason to kick me.

    I wish I could say I'm shocked that you got admin powers at all from the way you're speaking right now, but then I remember that Harrii had admin too and that about 70% (yeah, that's not 100% because I feel there are certain admins who actually do a good job and don't just get it purely as a "stepping stone" for well liked players, like you obviously did) of the time people get in due to favoritism.
  • Guys, can we please chill out?

    The vote commands arent admin commands (like duer said)
    It might have pissed you off that it happened, but that system works off what the majority at the time wants. You should be happy it wasnt voteban lol..

    But here's my 2 cents.
    You got cop, meaning you should have read cop rules.

    MOTD wrote:

    Cop vs Cop fights are acceptable. But if the Cop you are attacking asks you to stop, you are required to stop.

    If duer wanted to take the decision up single handedly, sure you were due a warning.
    Instead, he chose to see what the general public wanted.

    Since the vote commands are for vip's theres no argument of admin decision.
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