Controlling RDM

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    • duer wrote:

      in eldruns defense,

      a victim has the right to chose not to give in to demands

      just as much as the DM'er has the right to not stop dm'ing them because of the refusal

      but the above is completely seperate from harassing a player just because he doesnt want to pay up...

      victim players must learn how to not react like a child everytime they get killed


      we must not baby victim players, but instead teach them how to get the DM'er to lose interest in further coersion by using game mechanivcs or collabopation or reverse psychology.
      This is a loophole that allows for harassment. Getting a DMer to "lose interest" isn't always an option no matter what you do. They just want to shoot you to shoot you, whether you say something or not.

      eldrun wrote:

      No, but when you provoke me or rob me or anything I'm going to want compensation for the shit you did even if it's more than you took. Killing someone over and over is a good way to get that money back and then some.

      In my example blackopy came onto a mostly empty server and just started killing without any provocation. People were peacefully growing/robbing and he just decided he wanted to kill over and over because he could take advantage of the fact that there was no way he would be held responsible for anything he did. You say "it's insanity" that a RDMer is intentionally targeting non-DMers, but that is a DMers favorite target. It's been that way since I played The Specialist mod RP servers in 2006.

      As the current rules are formed anyone can just "flip the switch" when they want to harass and when it comes down to it the current rules aren't working. Which is exactly the reason why you have people reaching out to admins in hopes that they can get these players to stop. I would especially say that the lower hour players are the biggest target. So you or the admins probably don't feel the pain of what it's like to be constantly killed for no reason on the server.

    • ZomBloR! wrote:

      This is a loophole that allows for harassment. Getting a DMer to "lose interest" isn't always an option no matter what you do. They just want to shoot you to shoot you, whether you say something or not.
      thats where your wrong

      there is ALWAYS a way,

      me, @syle22 @HAND OF DOOM are all examples of players who are NOT RDM skilled, but we managed to survive RP through in game mechanics and using our character and personality in order to create a solid reputation on the server - this leads to TRUE strength in RP more than weapons, money or DM skills

    • I like that you're at least making a suggestion. But you're coming on with no prior background on how this server works and doesn't.

      I don't see how the current rules aren't working.

      Maybe because you're butthurt youre getting killed?

      This rdm balances the game and makes your planting more risky or hard to do.

      I don't see why you guys don't just team up and kill said person(s). Form a gang or something. It's not that hard and shouldn't require the admin team to step in.

    • duer wrote:

      ZomBloR! wrote:

      duer wrote:


      This is a loophole that allows for harassment. Getting a DMer to "lose interest" isn't always an option no matter what you do. They just want to shoot you to shoot you, whether you say something or not.

      eldrun wrote:



      thats where your wrong

      there is ALWAYS a way,

      me, @syle22 @HAND OF DOOM are all examples of players who are NOT RDM skilled, but we managed to survive RP through in game mechanics and using our character and personality in order to create a solid reputation on the server - this leads to TRUE strength in RP more than weapons, money or DM skills
      This rolls back to my point in the previous post. You have a reputation on the server and rapport with other players, you're also all admins. Players in the 10-100 hour range are pretty much looked over if they are getting harassed by another player. Even if the server is heavily populated no one will even respond to the victim requesting that the DMer stop over and over. No one steps in to help. No one seems to care. The rules need to be updated to instill some safeguard against this player group getting harassed.

    • eldrun wrote:

      I like that you're at least making a suggestion. But you're coming on with no prior background on how this server works and doesn't.

      I don't see how the current rules aren't working.

      Maybe because you're butthurt youre getting killed?

      This rdm balances the game and makes your planting more risky or hard to do.

      I don't see why you guys don't just team up and kill said person(s). Form a gang or something. It's not that hard and shouldn't require the admin team to step in.
      I am definitely annoyed by being killed over and over again for no/a stupid reason, I won't pretend that that isn't annoying as hell. I may not have a background on this server and you may not know me, but when I see player experiences ruined consistently I believe that's when it's safe to say the rules aren't working.

      If it were just me complaining to admins, sure, toss my suggestion/complaint aside. However, it's actually affecting the player base (mostly 10-100 hour players). These people could be solid contributors to the server down the road or they will just DM consistently at some point because that's what was done to them. It's creating a bad cycle.

      Also a gang and all that is fine but sometimes that just isn't an option. I play on my laptop with a trackpad. There is no way I can defend myself from someone with even moderate skill in DM with my current setup.


      ZomBloR! wrote:

      duer wrote:

      theres ways to beat an RDMer without DM
      AFK/Leave/Say nothing and allow it to happen over and over are the only options I'm fully aware of. Not the best tactics for player retention.

    • My god, please learn to Edit your posts and incorporate the next thing you want to say instead of Double Posting.

      With that said All Double Posts were Quoted to the previous post then Deleted.



      RDM isn't meant to be controlled in a sense, it's one of the things that differs this Server from a GMod RP Server. Hell you're playing HL2DM(Death Match), it's bound to happen.

      The only thing I currently have a problem with is when others players literally hunt another to ruin their game play experience. I've honestly only seen this type of behavior 3 times over the past year and a half and those players were all eventually dealt with, permanently.

      RDMing then asking for cash for peace I've always felt is stupid as shit, but to each his own. However this is where it comes down to Situation vs Situation for any sort of Admin Support.


      If the Victim has been asking said player to stop for a week or more and they are still just feverishly hunting the Victim then it's probably time to step in.

      Oh? The Victim is actually refusing to pay the player and constantly harassing them back, be it verbally cause they are pissed off or Shooting them on site as-well? This scenario would lead me to do nothing for that player, they are literally digging their own grave by instigating it back.

      The Victim refuses to pay but basically only pleads for the assailant to stop. Victim defends themselves occasionally but otherwise attempts to not engage. This scenario is a case where an Admin should intervene for Over Trolling.

      This whole RDM thing boils down to the Over Trolling Rule and it is Case by Case.





      As for the player group for 10+-100 hours being harassed. I agree it's hard for them to defend themselves against players with more hours but as Duer said you can get by Diplomatically.

      When I joined the Server we had at least 5 players that massively RDM'd and hunted people. Only one of them was dealt with permanently. The rest I befriended without ever paying them. Attitude and player relation skills can really effect your over all game play experience.

    • This is exactly what I am talking about. I log on and then blackopy just keeps killing me over and over after 24 hours because I didn't "pay him his protection money" (which was only asked for when I asked him to stop RDMing unprovoked). He is trolling.

      That's not RP. That's loopholing to harass.

      Update - No sign of him quitting ~20 minutes non-stop killed on sight for 0 reason.

      @Archick can vouch.



      ZomBloR! wrote:

      Volar wrote:

      The only thing I currently have a problem with is when others players literally hunt another to ruin their game play experience. I've honestly only seen this type of behavior 3 times over the past year and a half and those players were all eventually dealt with, permanently.
      I see it daily.

      Sorry for double posting. I haven't posted on forums in like 5 years.
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      The post was edited 3 times, last by ZomBloR! ().

    • syle22 wrote:

      there are no rules being broken here as far as i can tell
      That's my point of the whole thread. The rules are too lax on RDMing to the point where players can break the game for other players. 30 minutes of being killed over and over again is completely ridiculous. Feel free to look at logs. I asked nicely twice and now haven't said anything else. Is there an end in sight? Probably not.

      Edit - Screenshot Added. When does this become harassment?
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    • No one bitched about this for past years gone, rdm never affected any of the playerbase or how people liked the server, who cant stand it i have one thing to say learn to fight back or get something else to do.

      Also ZomBloR, exactly idiots like you get innocent people banned. Little child's whining and bitching how everything is not easy for them and within arm's reach and you get your wish trough.

    • As @Notorious K.O.I. stated rather rudely however, correctly


      the main issue is the concept of controlling RDM can be abused very heavily to the point where innocent players can get banned


      Instead of negatively enforcing rules that limit the spectrum of the game,


      I'd like to positively encourage people to fight against, and protect each other using the in game mechanics.


      RDM isnt the issue


      its holding grudges that is the issue

    • duer wrote:

      As @Notorious K.O.I. stated rather rudely however, correctly


      the main issue is the concept of controlling RDM can be abused very heavily to the point where innocent players can get banned


      Instead of negatively enforcing rules that limit the spectrum of the game,


      I'd like to positively encourage people to fight against, and protect each other using the in game mechanics.


      RDM isnt the issue


      its holding grudges that is the issue
      Rudely yes cause im tired of reading this bullshit all over again and i don't know why it suddenly became so popular topic, i could of course point my finger to some people but its not necessary.

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      Everybody who whines just fucking provocate as much as possible. Its like talking to kids you know... They do exactly what you dont want to. To be honest im peaceful, but when someones disrespect me just a little bit, he must pays this off to me. I hate this kind of people. Lying kids. And im not a cheater... I have been playing dm over and over for about 3 years. Participated many cups and so on. Check my youtube channel, main steam profile etc. But when you cant understand it means you are either stupid or unexperienced. When you are unexperienced in something and you know it, you shouldnt give dem suggestions as i heard past days. And if you dont know you are unexperienced then you are even stupid.

      Be nice to me and im nice to you, i promise peace


      Btw im not upset as you think
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